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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: New Experience |
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I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech :)
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
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John Goalby
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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On Feb 5, 8:30 pm, ni...@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech :)
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
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Nigel
Which evaluator (if either) won?
Quite often in contests, evaluators feel compelled to give feedback
even if it is not what they truly think. I have never been a target
speaker, and your experience doesn't make me want to do it now!
As an aside, a year ago I competed in our local area evaluation
contest. The target speaker was Randy Harvey! I couldn't believe
it. I won that evaluation contest, I believe, because of one line:
"I guess this makes me a World Champion Evaluator!"
John. |
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Colin William
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech 
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Sounds to me like it is, on average, fine :-)
Colin |
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Mark Perew
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech
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Which evaluator did the judges favor? Oh, no, wait. That doesn't work
either. I've been in eval contests where the winner gave one piece of
advice and the second place person gave the opposite, but others who agreed
with the winner didn't win anything.
Oh, well.
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Mark Perew <perew@squeep.com>
To the world you may be just one person,
but to one person you may be the world. (Source Unknown)
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Mark Perew
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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John Goalby <jgoalby@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As an aside, a year ago I competed in our local area evaluation
contest. The target speaker was Randy Harvey! I couldn't believe
it. I won that evaluation contest, I believe, because of one line:
"I guess this makes me a World Champion Evaluator!"
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Great line!
Picking someone at such a level is really not a good choice for a target
speaker (or test speaker as we call them out here). Ideally, the speaker
should have enough skills that there is something clear to praise, yet
enough room for growth that it's not a challenge to find something to
suggest for improvement. The real evaluation skill is not in finding which
is which, but in how it's presented.
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Mark Perew <perew@squeep.com>
To the world you may be just one person,
but to one person you may be the world. (Source Unknown)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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John Goalby <jgoalby@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nigel
Which evaluator (if either) won?
Quite often in contests, evaluators feel compelled to give feedback
even if it is not what they truly think. I have never been a target
speaker, and your experience doesn't make me want to do it now!
As an aside, a year ago I competed in our local area evaluation
contest. The target speaker was Randy Harvey! I couldn't believe
it. I won that evaluation contest, I believe, because of one line:
"I guess this makes me a World Champion Evaluator!"
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I guess you're right. I think I did use the floor space well and for
anyone who knows me, I probably did use more vocal varity but could have
added more where the evaluator suggested to use it. Don't let my
experience put you off being a target speaker. It's a great opportunity
to knock off another speech and get lots of different ideas about it
too. Some points will be valid that they bring up. Every evaluation
contestant should be a target speaker so they get a feel for the
different environment. :)
Congrats on winning the Evaluation contest.
Regards
Nigel
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:30:07 GMT, while chained to a desk in
the scriptorium nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | $I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
$experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
$that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
$
$One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
$vocal variety.
$
$The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
$well.
$
$I still don't know how to improve the speech
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How many evaluators in total?
And were there any common themes among the evaluators? For
example, did two or three talk about specific strengths in
your body langage?
Another thing, what were your own objectives for the speech?
Did the feedback you were getting suggest you met your own
objectives?
The wonderful thing about being a target speaker is you get
the opinions of several evaluators on the *same* speech. So
you get a feel for how a broader audience perceived your
talk.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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An experience like that serves to underscore the fact that evaluations are
personal opinions. I remember one speech I did where one person said I
should move around more, while the other said he envied the fact that I was
able to "plant myself firmly and stay in one spot".
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Joy
Don't believe everything you think
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| Quote: | I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech :)
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | An experience like that serves to underscore the fact that evaluations are
personal opinions. I remember one speech I did where one person said I
should move around more, while the other said he envied the fact that I was
able to "plant myself firmly and stay in one spot".
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At least you know that you don't move around much. I'm still not sure 
What you got was conflicting opinions on the fact you didn't move. I got
conflicting opinions on if I moved or not!
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
An experience like that serves to underscore the fact that evaluations
are
personal opinions. I remember one speech I did where one person said I
should move around more, while the other said he envied the fact that I
was
able to "plant myself firmly and stay in one spot".
At least you know that you don't move around much. I'm still not sure
What you got was conflicting opinions on the fact you didn't move. I got
conflicting opinions on if I moved or not!
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
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LOL! I can see where that would be confusing.
Joy |
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p c
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | I gave my first target speech for a club contest tonight. Interesting
experiece. It's a change of a speech I did for my last CC manual and
that was a mash of 3 or 4 ideas that I had.
One evaluator told me I need to use more of the space and I had great
vocal variety.
The other said I could have improved my vocal variety but used the space
well.
I still don't know how to improve the speech :)
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My conclusion of evaluations is that an evaluation is one person's
opinion. And every person has an opinion. And every opinion has value.
The opinion is valid for that person based on their perception and
understanding of the "standard."
As the receiver of an opinion, I need to consider the source and decide
for myself if it's actionable or useful.
For example, you would pay more attention to the opinion of a person who
has expertise on the subject or issue in question.
Last year I did the talk show host project where I was the host. The
evaluator said that when I was talking to the guest I faced the guest,
and ignored the "audience." The advice in the manual was clear: when you
speak and listen to the guest face the guest; face the audience/camera
only when you are addressing the audience.
Another way I sometimes get feedback that is not on target is because
the evaluator is not aware of the purpose or objectives of the speech.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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p c <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Another way I sometimes get feedback that is not on target is because
the evaluator is not aware of the purpose or objectives of the speech.
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That is one of my pet peeves. As an evaluator, you owe it to the speaker
to read the entire project so you can properly form your evaluation.
I don't claim to be the authority on evaluations, but unless I really
screw up and loose my train of though, I will win best evaluator ribbon.
I've visited clubs and done it and, and I've done it many times at my
home club.
The reason is, I take time to read the project, understand the
objectives and especially use the evaluator guidelines.
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Rick
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: New Experience |
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p c wrote:
| Quote: | My conclusion of evaluations is that an evaluation is one person's
opinion. And every person has an opinion. And every opinion has value.
The opinion is valid for that person based on their perception and
understanding of the "standard."
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I list that as one of the advantages of Toastmasters when I compare it a
program with a teacher. With a classroom format, you will learn THE
right way of doing a speech. At Toastmasters you will learn that your
speech affects different people differently. That better represents
real audiences that you will speak to.
Our club often does a round robin evaluation of our contest winners
before the Area contest. I did an humorous speech with overhead slides.
One person said they really made the speech. He liked visual
re-enforcement of the jokes. The person sitting next to him said they
destroyed the speech. When I flipped the slide, there was going to be a
punch line.
If I had heard just the first evaluation, I would have kept the slides
as they were. If I had heard just the second evaluation, I would have
gotten rid of them. As it was, I changed the way I handled them.
Rick Clements, DTM
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