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rich.hopkins@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
I've had it with the SPAM.

I have started another group at http://groups.google.com/group/toastmastersprime
- anyone can join and post, but I will serve as moderator (and any
other folks that decide they want to).

New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

I hope you'll all join me over there, and we can continue to have the
free, fun, and educational discussions we've enjoyed here.

Rich Hopkins
ATM-G, CL
Metro Toastmasters
Olympic Orators
District 16, Region I
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Guest
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
rich.hopkins@gmail.com <rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.

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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
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Mark Perew
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
Quote:
rich.hopkins@gmail.com <rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.

Agreed. That's my concern. There are already several TM newsgroups, but
none are used nearly as much as alt.org.toastmasters.

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Mark Perew <perew@squeep.com>
To the world you may be just one person,
but to one person you may be the world. (Source Unknown)

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The Doctor
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
In article <hi1o65-mu3.ln1@news.sysadmininc.com>,
<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote:
Quote:
rich.hopkins@gmail.com <rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.


with the key word being awful, you are spot on Nigel.
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Member - Liberal International
This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill Surrey England
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
On Jan 24, 7:01 pm, "rich.hopk...@gmail.com" <rich.hopk...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
I've had it with the SPAM.

I have started another group athttp://groups.google.com/group/toastmastersprime
- anyone can join and post, but I will serve as moderator (and any
Jean, John, Mark, and Library Gurl - you are all in and unmoderated.


Nigel - I understand your frustration, just as I'm sure you understand
mine. January has seen little to no activity, even if SPAM can be
filtered out in newsreaders. ToastmastersPrime may not be for
everybody, but hopefully it will work for many. I'd love to have you
posting there.

Rich

Quote:
other folks that decide they want to).

New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

I hope you'll all join me over there, and we can continue to have the
free, fun, and educational discussions we've enjoyed here.

Rich Hopkins
ATM-G, CL
Metro Toastmasters
Olympic Orators
District 16, Region I
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TopPoster
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
Will you and Ross be flooding the groups again today yads

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Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:fncn7a$kjr$9@gallifrey.nk.ca...
Quote:
In article <hi1o65-mu3.ln1@news.sysadmininc.com>,
nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote:
rich.hopkins@gmail.com <rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.


with the key word being awful, you are spot on Nigel.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill Surrey England
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John Goalby
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, ni...@sysadmininc.com wrote:
Quote:
rich.hopk...@gmail.com <rich.hopk...@gmail.com> wrote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.

I would be more than happy to host a NNTP server if there's one
we could use and my hosting provider supports it. I spent about
10 minutes looking just now and couldn't find anything appropriate.
Maybe someone else has experience in this?

I also looked at moderated usenet. It seems a pain in a different
way. It would be nice to just moderate membership rather than
messages. It scales much bettter.

I would like this group back to the way it was. I use google as
it sends me an email with the posts. I don't use any other news
groups. I would use RSS if there was some way to filter out
the spam.

I am more than happy to help alleviate this in any way I can if
we can come up with a solution.

John.
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
I agree - I wish this group could go back to the way it was.

The way I've set up ToastmastersPrime is that all members can post
without moderation - but the moderator(s) approves the membership in
an effort to avoid the spamming element.

Interesting how much I hear about how bad the Google interface is - I
think its just a matter of what we're used to. I love the Google
interface - its easy to use, allows for RSS readers, and keeps things
organized. But we stick with what we like, and that's understandable.

I'd love it if we could find a great solution for everybody. After
that, I'd like to pay off the deficit, solve world hunger, and create
world peace.

Rich.

On Jan 25, 9:30 am, John Goalby <jgoa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 24, 7:30 pm, ni...@sysadmininc.com wrote:

rich.hopk...@gmail.com <rich.hopk...@gmail.com> wrote:
New members posts will not post automatically until I give them
clearance - so Sam, as soon as you post, you'll be approved, and it
will work just as this one does.

Except you can't use it with a news reader, you have to use the awful
Google interface.

I would be more than happy to host a NNTP server if there's one
we could use and my hosting provider supports it. I spent about
10 minutes looking just now and couldn't find anything appropriate.
Maybe someone else has experience in this?

I also looked at moderated usenet. It seems a pain in a different
way. It would be nice to just moderate membership rather than
messages. It scales much bettter.

I would like this group back to the way it was. I use google as
it sends me an email with the posts. I don't use any other news
groups. I would use RSS if there was some way to filter out
the spam.

I am more than happy to help alleviate this in any way I can if
we can come up with a solution.

John.
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Guest
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
John Goalby <jgoalby@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I would be more than happy to host a NNTP server if there's one
we could use and my hosting provider supports it. I spent about
10 minutes looking just now and couldn't find anything appropriate.
Maybe someone else has experience in this?

You could look at using leafnode which will fetch messages from your
ISPs news server but allow access to certain groups. You can use regular
expressions for filtering. Not sure how it'd work with the current
problem though. Otherwise you'd have to go for a full blown usenet
server such as INN or CNEWS and run something like cleanfeed.

Quote:
I also looked at moderated usenet. It seems a pain in a different
way. It would be nice to just moderate membership rather than
messages. It scales much bettter.

You can't moderate who posts, but you can moderate which posts appear in
the newsgroup. This'd take a fair amount of discussion. A cmsg would
have to be sent and then we'd have to rely on every news admin accepting
the change.

Quote:
I would like this group back to the way it was. I use google as
it sends me an email with the posts. I don't use any other news
groups. I would use RSS if there was some way to filter out
the spam.

We'd all like to see it go back to the way it was. However it looks like
we're getting blased once a day for a day or two. This is managable, I
think.

Quote:
I am more than happy to help alleviate this in any way I can if
we can come up with a solution.

Most nntp clients can handle multipe servers, but people are less likely
to find us if we're on another server somewhere.
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
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betsy_in_va
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
Let me know what you guys decide, and I'll join in. Rich, thanks for
stepping up to the plate! Betsy
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John Goalby
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
Snip!

Nigel said:
Quote:
Most nntp clients can handle multipe servers, but people are less likely
to find us if we're on another server somewhere.

A thought for those that prefer usenet and don't want to make
the transition to google groups:

How about a Yahoo! group? Membership can be approved easily by
any of the moderators. Messages can be read online as well as sent
to your email.

While I realize that it isn't usenet and doesn't work with a reader,
you
can setup rules in your email client that comes close. You can also
reply to the posts in email easily.

We could then post a periodic message to this group to let people know
to come to the Yahoo! group.

What it comes down to for me is that I prefer "push" messages rather
than "pull" messages. Email and RSS come to me without my effort.
Usenet I have to go get and will forget to most of the time.

John.
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Guest
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
John Goalby <jgoalby@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
How about a Yahoo! group? Membership can be approved easily by
any of the moderators. Messages can be read online as well as sent
to your email.


Quote:
While I realize that it isn't usenet and doesn't work with a reader,
you
can setup rules in your email client that comes close. You can also
reply to the posts in email easily.

I use my own webmail email reader. I don't use virus prone readers like
Outlook Express so no, I wouldn't be able to do that. I belong to far
too many web forums for me to visit them all. Usenet works just fine for
what it is. A collection of discussion groups, easily arranged and
accessable. Another web based discussion means another website to visit,
another bookmark to remember to look at, another set of passwords. If
you join one Toastmasters group, why wouldn't you join all of them?
That's why I am reluctant to do this. Why doesn't every Toastmaster
setup their own discussion area?

There's a reason I haven't setup my own discussion forum on
toastmasters.sysadmininc.com

Quote:
We could then post a periodic message to this group to let people know
to come to the Yahoo! group.

And every other group? Then this would just become an announcement
group.


Quote:
What it comes down to for me is that I prefer "push" messages rather
than "pull" messages. Email and RSS come to me without my effort.
Usenet I have to go get and will forget to most of the time.

I'm the other way around. I visit many usenet groups, on a regular
basis. There's web based forums I've signed up for and forgotten about
because I don't have time, forgot about them, or some other reason.

--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
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John Goalby
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
Quote:
What it comes down to for me is that I prefer "push" messages rather
than "pull" messages.  Email and RSS come to me without my effort.
Usenet I have to go get and will forget to most of the time.

I'm the other way around. I visit many usenet groups, on a regular
basis. There's web based forums I've signed up for and forgotten about
because I don't have time, forgot about them, or some other reason.

Having a web based email reader doesn't preclude this from working.
I only use web-based email.

With Yahoo! Groups, you would rarely need to go to the website. Only
if you want to change some configuration. It forwards all the
messages
to your email.

This is the only usenet group I read.

I totally understand your other comments about just having a single
place to communicate.

Looks like Toastmasters Forum duplicates the spam too. Maybe
if they could mirror this group and remove the spam?

http://toastmastersforum.com/forum-27.html

John.
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John Goalby
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
Quote:
Looks like Toastmasters Forum duplicates the spam too.  Maybe
if they could mirror this group and remove the spam?

 http://toastmastersforum.com/forum-27.html


I just wrote to the creator of this site to ask if filtering of the
spam
was a possibility. I will update this group to let you know the
response.

John.
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Guest
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Toastmasters Prime Reply with quote
John Goalby <jgoalby@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I just wrote to the creator of this site to ask if filtering of the
spam
was a possibility. I will update this group to let you know the
response.

Why not just as your usenet provider to run cleanfeed?
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
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