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creaky
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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I am looking for a 6-8 minute poem for project 2 "Interpeting Poetry"
in the Interpretive Reading Manual. I looked at the poets - Kipling,
Frost, Dickinson - that were suggested in the manual. I found poems
I would like to read but there is no way that any of the poems I have
found will fill 6-9 minutes.
Can I do a compilation of poems all on the same subject?
What have other people done for this project?
Thanks for your help.
Christy K. |
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p c
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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I haven't done that project but here a couple of ideas.
1. Find a poetry collection online or on CDs at your library. Then look
for poems that you like of the appropriate length. Copy the text of the
poem into a Word document and do a word count.
At 150 words per minutes, the word count should be about 1100 words.
At 120 words per minute, the word count should be about 90 words.
Here's on online collection that showed up with a NET search.
http://www.poetry-online.org/
2. Find a shorter poem for about 4 minutes to recite, use the remainder
of your time for a brief discussion of the poem or the poet (whatever
angle you want to discus).
Good luck.
....PC
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creaky wrote:
| Quote: | I am looking for a 6-8 minute poem for project 2 "Interpeting Poetry"
in the Interpretive Reading Manual. I looked at the poets - Kipling,
Frost, Dickinson - that were suggested in the manual. I found poems
I would like to read but there is no way that any of the poems I have
found will fill 6-9 minutes.
Can I do a compilation of poems all on the same subject?
What have other people done for this project?
Thanks for your help.
Christy K. |
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creaky
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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Thanks for the word count. That helps alot to find a poem. The
problem is a 1100 word count poem is a 4 page poem to find. I took a
poem I liked and copied until I got over a thousand words, and it
covered four pages. I'm finding a lot of poems I like, but very few
that are over one page.
On Jan 5, 7:17 pm, p c <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | At 150 words per minutes, the word count should be about 1100 words.
At 120 words per minute, the word count should be about 90 words. |
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Joy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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Of course it depends on what kind of poem you like. I did "The Cremation of
Sam McGee" by Robert Service. Several of his peoples are both long and
dramatic.
Also, in most clubs you can adjust the time a little bit. For instance, if
you found one that fit the 5-7 minute range, you could use it as long as the
VPE okayed the new time and the Timer was informed.
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Joy Gaylord, ATM-S, CL
Simi Valley Toastmasters (Dist. 33)
The Supper Club (Dist. 33)
Storytelling & Performing Arts Toastmasters (Dist. 52)
Southern California
"creaky" <creakinator@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks for the word count. That helps alot to find a poem. The
problem is a 1100 word count poem is a 4 page poem to find. I took a
poem I liked and copied until I got over a thousand words, and it
covered four pages. I'm finding a lot of poems I like, but very few
that are over one page.
On Jan 5, 7:17 pm, p c <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
At 150 words per minutes, the word count should be about 1100 words.
At 120 words per minute, the word count should be about 90 words. |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:07:54 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
desk in the scriptorium creaky <creakinator@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | $I am looking for a 6-8 minute poem for project 2 "Interpeting Poetry"
$in the Interpretive Reading Manual. I looked at the poets - Kipling,
$Frost, Dickinson - that were suggested in the manual. I found poems
$I would like to read but there is no way that any of the poems I have
$found will fill 6-9 minutes.
$
$Can I do a compilation of poems all on the same subject?
$
$What have other people done for this project?
$
$Thanks for your help.
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When I did it, I used "The Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
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cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Of course it depends on what kind of poem you like. I did "The Cremation of
Sam McGee" by Robert Service. Several of his peoples are both long and
dramatic.
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Is that why the cremated his peoples rather than burying them? ;)
| Quote: | Also, in most clubs you can adjust the time a little bit. For instance, if
you found one that fit the 5-7 minute range, you could use it as long as the
VPE okayed the new time and the Timer was informed.
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That is, of course, not properly fulfilling the objectives, otherwise
they'd have given you a shorter time in which to present the poem.
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Colin William
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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"creaky" <creakinator@gmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | I am looking for a 6-8 minute poem for project 2 "Interpeting Poetry"
in the Interpretive Reading Manual. I looked at the poets - Kipling,
Frost, Dickinson - that were suggested in the manual. I found poems
I would like to read but there is no way that any of the poems I have
found will fill 6-9 minutes.
Can I do a compilation of poems all on the same subject?
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I don't see why not.
I think i used various excerpts from Song of Myself.
Colin |
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Rod Taylor
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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"creaky" <creakinator@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am looking for a 6-8 minute poem for project 2 "Interpeting Poetry"
in the Interpretive Reading Manual. I looked at the poets - Kipling,
Frost, Dickinson - that were suggested in the manual. I found poems
I would like to read but there is no way that any of the poems I have
found will fill 6-9 minutes.
Can I do a compilation of poems all on the same subject?
What have other people done for this project?
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The Ballad of a Mine (Robert Slelton)
The Ballad of Boh da Thone (Rudyard Kipling)
Chant Pagan (Rudyard Kipling)
The Highwayman (Alfred Noyes)
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Rod Taylor (rodt iafrica - don't forget the @ and the dotcom)
Transformers Toastmasters Club
District 74, Southern Africa |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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creaky <creakinator@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the word count. That helps alot to find a poem. The
problem is a 1100 word count poem is a 4 page poem to find. I took a
poem I liked and copied until I got over a thousand words, and it
covered four pages. I'm finding a lot of poems I like, but very few
that are over one page.
On Jan 5, 7:17 pm, p c <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
At 150 words per minutes, the word count should be about 1100 words.
At 120 words per minute, the word count should be about 90 words.
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See if your local library has access to www.litfinder.com
Over 125,000 poems. You could also sign up for a free trial
I think.
I can only access it from the library so couldn't tell you if you can
search by poem size or anything like that but might be worth a try.
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Joy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
Of course it depends on what kind of poem you like. I did "The Cremation
of
Sam McGee" by Robert Service. Several of his peoples are both long and
dramatic.
Is that why the cremated his peoples rather than burying them? ;)
Also, in most clubs you can adjust the time a little bit. For instance,
if
you found one that fit the 5-7 minute range, you could use it as long as
the
VPE okayed the new time and the Timer was informed.
That is, of course, not properly fulfilling the objectives, otherwise
they'd have given you a shorter time in which to present the poem.
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
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I gather your clubs aren't flexible regarding time?
Joy |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I gather your clubs aren't flexible regarding time?
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They are, but I consider it a form of cheating by using more or less
than the given time. You have set objectives of which time is one of the
objectives. Why do we give a 5-7 minute speech when we could give a 3-5?
Why limit ourselves to 5-7 when we could speak from 3-8? Why is speech
10 in the C&L manual 8-10 rather than 5-7?
The times are there for a purpose, to stretch us. We don't alter the
times to fit us, we fit our speech to fill the time.
If you've been invited to speak and you've been allocated 15-20 minutes,
you don't stop at 10 minutes just because it suits, right?
Come on people, do the job properly.
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Rod Taylor
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joy <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
I gather your clubs aren't flexible regarding time?
They are, but I consider it a form of cheating by using more or less
than the given time. You have set objectives of which time is one of the
objectives. Why do we give a 5-7 minute speech when we could give a 3-5?
Why limit ourselves to 5-7 when we could speak from 3-8? Why is speech
10 in the C&L manual 8-10 rather than 5-7?
The times are there for a purpose, to stretch us. We don't alter the
times to fit us, we fit our speech to fill the time.
If you've been invited to speak and you've been allocated 15-20 minutes,
you don't stop at 10 minutes just because it suits, right?
Come on people, do the job properly.
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I'm mostly with Nigel on this one. Altering the time allocation because
finding a poem of suitable length requires extra time and effort seems like
a cop-out to me. The same applies to using several poems to fill the time.
The same also applies to plays - effective and critical editing is an
important part of the process and shouldn't be made easier by the very
simple process of extending the time limit. With most projects, it's a
relatively simple matter to cobble together a speech, check how long it
takes to present, then ask for a longer or shorter time as appropriate. So
much simpler than presenting the most effective speech within the time
limits given. The time ranges allocated for the projects are both generous
and challenging.
Having said that, I have no objection to varying the time allocations
provided that the speaker can genuinely justify the need for the change
other than it makes the speaker's work easier.
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Rod Taylor (rodt iafrica - don't forget the @ and the dotcom)
Transformers Toastmasters Club
District 74, Southern Africa |
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Jenny Genser
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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On Jan 8, 9:44 am, "Rod Taylor" <seemysignat...@nospam.ever> wrote:
| Quote: | ni...@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
news:t28955-b8f.ln1@news.sysadmininc.com...
Joy <toas...@real-me.net> wrote:
I gather your clubs aren't flexible regarding time?
They are, but I consider it a form of cheating by using more or less
than the given time. You have set objectives of which time is one of the
objectives. Why do we give a 5-7 minute speech when we could give a 3-5?
Why limit ourselves to 5-7 when we could speak from 3-8? Why is speech
10 in the C&L manual 8-10 rather than 5-7?
The times are there for a purpose, to stretch us. We don't alter the
times to fit us, we fit our speech to fill the time.
If you've been invited to speak and you've been allocated 15-20 minutes,
you don't stop at 10 minutes just because it suits, right?
Come on people, do the job properly.
I'm mostly with Nigel on this one. Altering the time allocation because
finding a poem of suitable length requires extra time and effort seems like
a cop-out to me. The same applies to using several poems to fill the time.
The same also applies to plays - effective and critical editing is an
important part of the process and shouldn't be made easier by the very
simple process of extending the time limit. With most projects, it's a
relatively simple matter to cobble together a speech, check how long it
takes to present, then ask for a longer or shorter time as appropriate. So
much simpler than presenting the most effective speech within the time
limits given. The time ranges allocated for the projects are both generous
and challenging.
Having said that, I have no objection to varying the time allocations
provided that the speaker can genuinely justify the need for the change
other than it makes the speaker's work easier.
--
Rod Taylor (rodt iafrica - don't forget the @ and the dotcom)
Transformers Toastmasters Club
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One example where it is valid to alter the time (in my opinion) would
be if someone is doing a presentation (say for 15 minutes) and wants
to practice at the club, but the manual project that fits with the
presentation calls for 10-12 minutes. That to me is a good reason to
adjust the time.
Another case is where a project is 40 minutes and you belong to a
noontime club that only has an hour.
Just my too cents. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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Jenny Genser <jenny.genser@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Another case is where a project is 40 minutes and you belong to a
noontime club that only has an hour.
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Offer to be a guest speaker at another club then? There's always clubs
who are looking for speakers. We have a club in District 50 that is an
advanced club specifically for longer presentations and reciving more
critical evalutions. Maybe it's something you may want to consider for
your district.
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Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Mark Perew
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Interpretive Reading Manual Question |
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nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | If you've been invited to speak and you've been allocated 15-20 minutes,
you don't stop at 10 minutes just because it suits, right?
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Yes, I do. Be brief. Be sincere. Be seated.
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Mark Perew <perew@squeep.com>
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but to one person you may be the world. (Source Unknown)
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